The 2 applications kept time drifting, Google seems to have some small realtime issues. Worked like a charm though and is a great tool for learning the terrain in a area. I am headed for Sondrio in March and this helps me to learn the extended local terrain. With SeeYou, GE and a chart I am statring to familarize myself with the area, including the "hot" thermal spots! Bob Thanks again Tobi! Tobi, This is an absolutely brilliant add-on!
Thanks so much for making it available. Please keep us posted on upgrades. Thanks for the directions and kind words. For those interested in flying the ridge and wave north or Salt Lake City, Utah I would recommend looking at flights on OLC from: December 15th, This was a flight that shows the speed potential of the ridge. I actually flew it conservatively and without water.
The October 3rd, flight for the full extent of the ridge. November 17th, flight of three gliders on ridge and wave to 17, feet. Fun to watch in programs that let you put multiple flights on same trace Also you can search the flights of Lynn Alley for several flights in the wave. Again thank to Tobias for providing such a great program that allow others to really get a better idea of the terrain. It is immensely helpful in sites where mountain flying is common.
There is an upgrade available full time control, realtime drift eliminate for those who want to synch with seeyou and more. Probably there will be further upgrades during the winter, but not in spring and summer at all. You may take a fast look from the Help-Menu. Bye Tobias.
A web search should find the source. Tobias found the problem with his code and. NET strangeness on my laptop, seems like it may have affect some other laptops as well.
Anyhow it is all working great on my ThinkPad now. Thanks Tobias for this great utility! Darryl Ramm. Darryl, So does that mean there's an updated application to download from Tobias' site? I've been using it with a thinkpad, too, still think it's an absolutely great program but have noticed some strangeness, too. Thanks, Larry. There was an update recently, it at least fixed a. NET startup problems on some laptops where the application would crash as I described earlier.
I am guessing that is very unlikely to be related to any other problems - except Tobias told me that the left hand control panel may size wrong on laptop displays but can just be changed manually. I have no idea what other things if any changed. Why don't you try the latest build anyhow and then email him a description of the strangeness you are seeing.
He is very responsive. The new update has speed and thermal indicators and a skip thermals function. Continues to improve with each update. For future updates a choice of units for speed and thermals would be great. Tim, there is a new Build available with imperial units, diagrams and more. You've done a fabulous job with the latest version! I really like the addition of the path, the imperial units and the figure.
One small problem I've noticed - the path sometimes disappears immediately in front of the glider, for a distance of several hundred meters. Then it reappears just in front of the glider again. Thanks for your hard work and especially thank you for making this program available!
I finally downloaded and configured it on my PC at home. The graphics are so good I got mild motion sickness watching a replay. What a neat program! Thanks for creating it!!!! Reply to author. Report message as abuse.
Show original message. Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message. It's a replay, without use of kml, best for flights in the mountains Flying should be more about the feel and less about the numbers but once in a while an instrument or post-flight analysis can confirm what you suspect.
As you begin to look in more detail at your flights you'll find there's more you can discover. So far we looked at getting the IGC file from your instrument and doing a little more with it in the confines of Google Earth, changing the view and making it easier to see where we've been. In getting the hang of the first few steps we've done some important groundwork because now there's a lot more stuff going on in the file and it's good to have a foundation to build on.
When you first open one of these 'most detailed igc2kmz' files up it looks something like this. I've shrunk the sliders together on the time bar and removed everything except the altitude marks and the ground 'shadow' line then coloured the trace by climb. Finally I had a pan and zoom around to get this view This shows the climb as pretty immediate a well judged launch but also broken, scrappy and difficult to hold together. There was a noticeable search going on around 1,m before I properly connected with 'the one' to cloudbase.
You can see the shadow line on the ground shows the drift and in the next part of the series you'll see I was a little slow on the uptake here and got beaten to it by Carlo and Nancy, but looking at the flight this way I've learnt something and improved my game. Using this same kind of angled, rotated view of 'coloured by climb' track for later sections in the flight.
Learning point, it was a tricky, fickle, day so I shouldn't beat myself up over a 'small' distance. I came in at the bottom left corner of the screen having found sinky nothingness all over the ridge and in the back of the gullies, I even went round the corner to be sure it really wasn't soarable and then when I gave up on the ridge and headed out to the flats in front where the glider mark is positioned you can see the pronounced left turn out of a stronger more blue sinky patch.
Fortunately this sink was the inflow for the climb out but what puzzled me afterwards was how the climb fell apart on me Learning point: when the ridge isn't working the flats often are. Now with the altitude marks back on you can see a pronounced drift above m so with hindsight and looking at the trace coloured this way it's easy to see I circled upwind and out the front of the low save thermal, this is unusual for me, because I normally fall out the back.
Another learning point: don't get complacent about being 'established' in the climb. The day did 'blue out' no clouds and get more windy it started very light so maybe the bowls at ridge height would have worked on the way back but I didn't go for it when I had the chance and bailed to land in the valley rather than risk it in the boonies. Learning point: pay more attention to drift and groundspeed.
Colouring by altitude and speed can also have their uses in reviewing a day, colouring by time can help make sense of a long ridge flight and also make sense of some of that spaghetti. This example is coloured by altitude, and you can see that the climbs didn't go as high, later on.
Coloured by speed, you can see more easily the points where you accelerated. Coloured by time with a different flight my Winter at Cloudbase video. It starts blue, ends red having gone through green and yellow. Looking at it this way makes the sequence of the track clearer whilst looking at the whole thing instead of sectioning it out with the animation. When you start to explore your own flying in this way you'll discover your own learning points, these are just some tools to help you do the job.
You can look at the traces of other pilots in the same way that you look at your own. Doing this can highlight different things:. I like to look at others that I flew with.
The Google Earth animation files are best for that. If you are lucky, you and your friends posted their flights to Leonardo, in which case you can click on Find And Compare Flights feature to quickly compare similar tracks in Google Earth don't forget to maximise the screen. If you want the nice 'coloured by climbs' etc options, download the 'most detailed KMZ' files and open them in Google Earth directly.
Once you're familiar with the procedure it's much faster. Beware, the excitement as you 'steal their tracklog' can leave some pilots breathless. Here's a reminder:. Right click on the downloaded IGC file and choose 'Open With' then find where you have stored the GPSdump program on your PC probably in Downloads and check the checkbox 'always use the selected program to open this kind of file'. This will make the workflow faster and simpler in future.
Repeat for the other tracklogs you can simply double-click on the IGC files now, they should open straight away in GPSdump. Now open those saved KML files, one at a time. Within Google Earth, right click on each track, select Properties and edit the name so you know who it is instead of Pilot , change the line colour, width, shadow etc.
Repeat with as many pilots as you have patience for. If you're frustrated by this faff, you can use SeeYou software to compare IGC files without needing conversion - or get your friends to start using Leonardo!
Back to the flight. Here are Carlo and Nancy's traces from our Wales trip. I coloured the traces according to glider colour so Carlo is on the light blue, I'm on the darker blue and Nancy is on the green Use the time slider to shorten the segment and help ease some of the spaghetti.
At this point you can see I went off first followed by Nancy and then Carlo, whilst I dithered Nancy caught me up and then Carlo led us south east to the stronger climb. I just about managed to catch up by the time we got to base and we all arrived together more or less.
Looking South towards Crickhowell, I finally give up on mincing and try to catch up, there are others ahead of Carlo too, everyone is climbing strongly and there is a big cumulus forming to the south of us. I still can't figure out why it took me so long to spot what was going on nearby. Carlo clearly had it sussed and Nancy was well ahead of me Learning point: while climbing, pay more attention to what is going on up ahead. The thing that surprised me looking back at this was how tight and aggressively I'd gone for the climb compared to Carlos's big lazy circles.
Also both Nancy and Carlo had started widening the climb much earlier and avoided the wispies altogether, where as I went plowing through on the fine line of what is just about acceptable for flying IMC in company. Learning point: plan ahead, where will this climb take me? Learning point: take a charged radio if you want to fly together. I wonder if Nancy briefly thought about following me and The Plan or Carlo.
Perhaps there was a chunk of cloud in the way? In all seriousness, most of what I used these files for in this particular format was done with the animation running slowly and then looking at where we were from various angles from above and below.
Seeing who went where, and when, and who made the move to the strong climb, did I climb better for climbing tighter, did we loiter at base much?
Answers to those sorts of questions. Exercise: load your own flight to an XC server even if it's just a top to bottom then download your track and at least one other pilot whom you flew with at the same time. Load them both in Google Earth and drag the animation slider slowly along so you can compare. When you get many pilots on the hill together you can analyse the big XC days or competitions. For this you'll need to find out what the most popular XC server is for the region. April 18th looks promising, with almost XCs.
Viewing the table for the day reveals a list of lofty achievements, mostly from a site called Leckhampton hover your mouse over the flight score, it should show a description of the flight. So I've opened the top ten flights that originate from Leckhampton in ten different tabs for quick stats comparison. Exercise: Here are the converted tracks from the day. Once you have done that we can begin to learn from Big Wednesday.
Twenty minutes later Jimmy commits whilst the others wait for it to get better, the group of 5 climbs out at almost an hour later. Although Michael is the last to leave he's probably not on his own as at least another 10 went and subsequently posted flights plus a bunch from nearby Ubley. I've kept it to the top 10 from one site, for the day, since it took about five minutes to pull the flights from the UK XC League website and then about another 10 to load them into Google Earth and play with the colours.
Reds went furthest, blues the least but all were well over km on one of the best spring days the UK has seen. We can scroll around to see most pilots left from the Eastern end of the bowl and that there was a fair bit of scratching to get away, there's a notable difference in the line between the first 3 and the line from later pilots. Using the Ruler tool we can see Jimmy with a 10k jump on the bigger gaggle, we can see who's sticking together and leading out.
Most of the learning is done by playing through the file and looking at who went where and when. Who made the moves, how high did they take the climbs and such. Here you can see that when Kirsty separated from Guy and Mark she was much lower so when the others pushed West at the top of the climb she was still climbing Logout Logout Register. Skip to content. Quick links. I looked for it with the search function and didn't find anything.
I've tried it and it looks great. What you have to do is: 1 Convert your. IGC files to. KML file in google earth. Bad news IGC files produced by condor don't work. I get a "Incorrect IGC format" message on the converter Maybe the developpers want to take a look at it Cheers. I do NOT care who is your daddy. As long as i am fishing here, you don't walk over the water. Post by louras » Wed Dec 21, am Yep.. After some cracking got condor IGC files to work on Google earth..
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